John Carlisle

John Carlisle

Male 1720-1730 - 1796  (66 years)

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  • Name John Carlisle 
    Born 1720-1730 
    • Based on earliest land grant dates.
    Gender Male 
    Died June/July 1796  Augusta Co, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    WILL 15 Jun 1796  Augusta Co, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Will gave Negro Ned his freedom. Wife Margaret her bed, bedstead, bed furniture, clothes, saddle, bridle. Rest of personal possessions sold at auction and proceeds distributed as follows: 2/3 to wife Margaret; remaining 1/3 to be divided between Robert Carlile, son of Robert Carlile of the Bullpasture and John and William Carlile sons of my brother James Carlile. Appointed Rev. John Montgomery and Robert Carlile son of Robert Carlile of the Bullpasture executors. Witnessed by Thomas Clayton, John Fennil, and Nelly King.

      [The only Thomas Clayton we know of was Margaret Wandless' grandson, 3 yrs old at the time. Wonder if John Clayton who married Margaret Wanless Rice had a brother named Thomas?]
    Notes 
    • Owned land in Bath/Greenbrier area as early as 1748, according to court records (land disputes and suits). Have copy of will.

      Not listed in Bath/Augusta 1782-90 census composed of tax rolls, in Archives.

      LAND & other legal records:

      1748 Jan 11: Petition filed in court at Whitehall, London, England, asking the King to instruct the Governor of VA to grant them 500,00 acres between "Romanettos and Buffalos Creek on the south side of the river Aligane otherwise the Ohio and betwixt the two creeks and the Yellow Ck on the north side of the river, or in such other parts of the West that shall be adjudged most proper by the petitioners". Details about erecting a fort and settling 100 families immediately. Petitioners: John Hanbury of London, merchant, and Thomas Lee, Esq, a judge in the supreme court in VA, and Thomas Nelson Esq, Col. Cressup, Col. Wm. Thornton, Wm. Nimmo, Dan'l Cressup, John Carlisle, Lawrence Washington, Augustus Washington, Geo. Fairfax, Jacob Gyles, Nat'l Chapman, and James Woodrop, Esqrs, all of VA, and their associates in settling the country beyond the Ohio. [VA Colonial Projects project at LVA online, survey 6103]
      --this could be John Carlyle of Alexandria instead, as the Geo. Washington letters at Lib. of Congress show correspondence regarding land between Geo. and John of Alexandria

      1753 May 18: John bought 250 acres on the Calfpasture from his brother James, from their father's estate. From Patton & Lewis 1748 grant. Cor. to Clemons; cor. Warrick; cor. James Carlile. [Watson]

      1753: Signed petition to Court of Augusta that the county should stop importing or selling rum and wine, so the county dwellers could grow grain and make their own liquor and keep the money in the county. [Chalkley I, 441]

      1758 May 29: Inherited entire estate of Samuel Mountony (Mounthany). Their relationship is not known. Will proved 17 Aug 1758. [Chalkley III, 50]
      -- Wonder if Mounthany is a variation of Matheny? Carol Watson notes that 2 witnesses, Wm. Preston and Charles Lewis, were leadersof the area militia, and witness Thomas Lloyd was the doctor used by Preston for the militia. Morton's History of Highland Co lists a Samuel Delamontony living on the Bullpasture below Doe Hill in 1746-1759.

      1758: Through various entries that are impossible to separate from John of the Bullpasture, John seems to have been involved with the militia during the French and Indian War, either fighting or providing services and supplies. [Chalkley, Hening's Statutes at Large, vol. 7]

      1762 Feb 18: Entered marriage bond in Augusta County, wife's name not given. [Chalkley II, 276]

      1762 Nov 16: John and Mary sold the 250 acres obtained in 1753 to Thomas Hugart for 50 lbs. Corners are now James Carlile, Rev. John Kinkead, James Campbell, and Jacob Clements, deceased. Delivered to Wm. Hugheart 21 Dec 1790. [Chalkley III, 392]

      1762 Nov 18: John & Mary, with Wallace Estill and Thomas Hughart, are appointed guardians of Ruth and Isabella Clements, orphans of Jacob Clements. [Chalkley III, 78]. Jacob was a sort of brother-in-law; his widow Mary had been a daughter of Thomas Gillham who first married a son of Wm. Campbell; when he died, she was treated as a daughter by the Campbell family; then she married Jacob Clements, a widower with 9 daughters. Wm. Campbell was the father-in-law of John Carlyle's brother James Jr. Whew! Jacob Clements died in 1759, Sept-Nov, and Ruth and Isabella were the only 2 underaged orphans. [Watson, p.11]

      1764 Aug 25: John bought from Thomas & Margaret Gillham 200 acres on the Calfpasture bounded by Robert Gay's orphans, Samuel Campbell's lands, and William Will's lands. [Chalkley III, 415]

      1765 Mar 19: Appraised estate of Alexander Black. [Chalkley III, 88]

      1766 Aug 22: John & Mary sold the 200 acres from the 1764 purchase to Thomas Adams of the county of New Kent for 117 lbs. Delivered: Sampson Mathews 19 Mar 1772 [Chalkley III, 444]

      1768 Aug 16: John bought from John & Mary Ann Campbell for 75 lbs 202 acres on the Calfpasture, part of tract Jacob Clemons formerly lived on; cor. Wm. Campbell; also 50 acres joining said land, the way the Big Creek runs, if divided. [Chalkley III,475]

      1768 Dec: Will of Joseph King left youngest son John to care of John Carlile. [Chalkley III, 108] -- daughter Nellie King would witness John Carlile's will in 1796

      1769 Apr 8: Another deed mentions that John owns the land from the 1768 deal. [Chalkley III, 488]

      1769 Jun 20: Joseph King's will proved; John Carlyle replaced as Augusta Constable. [Chalkley I, 156]

      1770 Dec 9: John sold to Thomas Adams of St Peter's Parish, New Kent County, 250 acres purchased from John Campbell, for 100 lbs. [Chalkley III, 507] -- this is the land bought in 1786

      1772 Mar 19: 1770 deal is re-recorded as John & Mary. [Chalkley III, 519]

      1777 list of tithables taken by Thos. Hughart shows John (may be the other John) with 3 tithables and 250 acres. Tithables were white males over 16 and may have included slaves and servants.

      1783 Nov 22: Marriage to Margaret Wandless posted in Virginia Gazette.

      1786: Book of land records says John still owns 250 acres.

      1790 First Census: John owns 250 acres, 3 tithes, 2 slaves, and 6 horses. The 2 tithes may have been Ralph and Stephen Wanless, or indentured white servants.

      1790 Apr 20: John excused from working on roads on account of great age. [Chalkley I, 261]

      1796 Jun 15: John wrote will. Will proved in July. Will lists various relationships of other Carliles. Estate auction lists who bought his goods, includes Stephen Wandless, Abel Armstrong, Robert Carlile, John Clayton, Samuel Black, Kinkead, Hughart. [Mom has copy.]
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      May be another John Carlyle not of this area:
      1755 Apr 10: Lord Fairfax granted to Major John Carlyle, merchant, of Fairfax Co 320 acres in Augusta Co on the east side of the West Branch of the Pass Run. Tract was surveyed for James McDonald, who lived there and who assigned it to Jeremiah Aderton, who ass'd it to John Carlyle for a debt. [N.N. Grants H, p.637; Candy-card 87]

      1756 Sep 8: Lord Fairfax granted to Major John Carlyle of Fairfax Co 454 acres, a tract of ungranted land on the west side of the Blue Ridge in Augusta Co. Bounds include "head of pass Run near a line of the survey made for Thomas Brown...the Indian Graves in Thorntons Pass & running down Pass Run...survey made for James McDonnald...James Litterals line...Thomas Browns line.... [Northern Neck grants H, p.667; LVA online - Candy - card 88]

      Later there is Col. John Carlyle (1770s), probably the same person. He owned gobs of land in Hampshire & Fairfax counties, along the So. Br. Potomac, Shenandoah R., and their branches. It seems unlikely that this same man would move to Deerfield, but needs followup. Another or the same John Carlyle was buying land on Goose Ck & Opequon Ck north of Winchester and in Winchester in the 1750s. This is all from LVA's NN grants online.
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    Person ID I168  1: Ralph(?) & Margaret Wandless or Wanless
    Last Modified 23 Jun 2003 

    Father James Carlisle,   b. 1670, County Down, Ireland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1752, Augusta Co, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 82 years) 
    Mother Elizabeth (Unknown),   b. Ireland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 21 Mar 1753 
    Family ID F277  Group Sheet

    Family 1 Mary (Unknown),   d. Between 1770 and 1783, Augusta Co, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married 18 Feb 1762  Augusta Co, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Last Modified 21 Mar 2001 
    Family ID F458  Group Sheet

    Family 2 Margaret (Unknown),   b. 1720-1730,   d. 1807, Deerfield, Augusta Co, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 77 years) 
    Married 22 Nov 1783  Calf Pasture, Augusta Co, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Last Modified 21 Mar 2001 
    Family ID F44  Group Sheet

  • Histories
    Article on Hickory Dale Farm, Deerfield, Virginia, home of Margaret Wanless Carlyle circa 1788
    Article on Hickory Dale Farm, Deerfield, Virginia, home of Margaret Wanless Carlyle circa 1788
    by Joe Nutt, published in the Staunton Daily News Leader, 14 May 1992. Margaret Wanless lived here after her marriage to John Carlyle in 1788. After John's death, Margaret's daughter Margaret & her husband John Clayton moved here, and Clayton descendants have owned it ever since.

  • Sources 
    1. [S36] Carlile and Related Families, Carol Watson, (1994), P.11 MARRIAGE BOND DATE GIVEN IN CHALKLEY II, P. 276 (Reliability: 3).

    2. [S13] Newspaper - VA Gazette, VA GAZETTE 22 NOV 1783, P.3: MARRIED, JOHN CARLISLE, ESQ., OF CALF-PASTURE, IN AUGUSTA COUNTY, TO MRS. WANLESS, OF THE SAME PLACE; A LADY ENDOWED WITH EVERY ACCOMPLISHMENT NECESSARY TO RENDER THE CONJUGAL STATE HAPPY. (Reliability: 3).